MSU’s Donnie Corley, Josh King, Demetric Vance charged with sexual assault
June 6th, 2017 by Kindle

Donnie Corley, Josh King and Demetric Vance (MLive file photos)

By Kyle Austin/mlive at 9:50AM June 6, 2017, updated June 06, 2017 at 10:06 AM

EAST LANSING — Michigan State football players Donnie Corley, Josh King and Demetric Vance are all facing charges of criminal sexual conduct.

Arrest warrants for third degree criminal sexual conduct for all three were issued on Tuesday morning in 54-B District Court in East Lansing, following a hearing in front of Judge Richard D. Ball. Michigan State University police officer Chad Davis provided testimony.

Third degree criminal sexual conduct is a felony punishable by up to 15 years in prison.

King is also charged with a second count of first degree criminal sexual conduct and one count of capturing/distributing an image of an unclothed person.

The charges stem from an alleged Jan. 16 incident in an on-campus apartment, and come after a four-month investigation by the Michigan State University Police.

The identities of the three players were kept secret throughout the investigation, and weren’t revealed until charges were issued on Tuesday morning.

Ingham County Prosecutor Carol Siemon announced on Monday that her office had decided to authorize the charges.

The three players are currently suspended from the team and have been removed from university housing. A Michigan State spokesperson said on Monday afternoon that “the athletics department will address the situation once charges are issued.”

The criminal investigation is the second to find wrongdoing on the part of the three players. A Title IX investigation completed last month found that the three players violated Michigan State’s relationship violence and sexual misconduct policy.

The Title IX report was forwarded to the school’s student conduct office, which will levy a punishment on the three players.

The prosecutor also announced on Monday that it would not seek charges in a fourth warrant request against a former member of the Michigan State football staff. That charge was for a non-sexual crime.

That member is believed to be Curtis Blackwell, who was suspended on Feb. 9 and did not have his contract renewed when it expired on May 31. An external investigation commissioned by Michigan State found that Blackwell violated university policy when he spoke with Corley, King and Vance and didn’t report what he learned to police or the school.

In total, four Michigan State players have now been charged with sexual assault this offseason. Auston Robertson, a former defensive end, was charged with third degree criminal sexual conduct in April, after it’s alleged he followed a woman into her apartment and assaulted her her. Robertson is free on bond and has a preliminary hearing scheduled for later this month in 55th District Court.

Corley came to East Lansing as a celebrated four-star wide receiver, after leading Detroit King to a state championship in 2015.

He played in all 12 games as a true freshman, and was one of only two to play in the team’s season opener. He finished second on the team in receiving yards, with 453, plus third in catches with 33 and third in touchdowns with three.

He also added defensive duties partway through the season, debuting as a cornerback against Michigan. He also had brief duties as a return man.

As a sophomore, Corley is slated to be the team’s leading returning wide receiver and the most dynamic member of a young but talented group.

King was another one of nine true freshmen to play for the Spartans in 2016. He made his debut in the third game of the year, against Wisconsin, and finished with nine games under his belt, including two starts at defensive end late in the year.

The highest-rated prospect of the program’s 2016 recruiting class, King recorded 10 tackles and 1.5 tackles for loss in 2016. He is expected to compete for a starting job this fall.

Vance came to Michigan State from Cass Tech as a four-star recruit in the school’s 2016 recruiting class. He redshirted in his true freshman season.


10m10 minutes ago

Vance, King and Corley have been dismissed from the Michigan State football program by Coach Dantonio.


88 Responses  
  • JustABum writes:
    June 6th, 20178:52 amat

    Sad, and what’s worse is what some may scream “hearsay” that came to me yesterday via a credible source. A friend and MSU alum who was active on Hey Joe years ago sent me an email containing the following:

    “Vance, Corley, and the sad one, King. He was led to the slaughter by those two hoodlums. So much personal time and attention was put into getting the shy and stuttering Josh King to where he was. Really, really, sad.

    News of King having taken a picture may not be what it appears to be at first glance. Regardless, the kid didn’t learn the value of the word “NO” soon enough.

    • JustABum writes:
      June 6th, 20179:09 amat

      On second thought. This article certainly shines a different light on Josh King.

    • GoSt8Go writes:
      June 6th, 20173:39 pmat

      was gonna say, what you were told is a heckuva a lot different story than what was published today.

      • JustABum writes:
        June 6th, 20174:35 pmat

        My comment is based on hearsay, a bit of speculation and reasoning, yet I believe it has merit.

        Check out Josh King’s background and you will learn that he is some one who needs special consideration. Not to say he should not be held accountable and punished. He is a young man that made bad decisions and did the wrong thing to over-simplify this horrible alleged event which is on video.

        There are some obvious disabilities, or disadvantages. People that know Josh described him as shy and has a considerable stutter. He attended a very good high school in wealthy suburban Hinsdale, IL where he excelled in football and wrestling to become the top recruit in IL and nationally. I am told people screened media recruiters etc for Josh and his family. He goes off to MSU and builds “friendships” with two other highly recruited guys who are from Detroit’s tougher neighbourhoods and with a lot of street smarts. Josh does not have any prior problems with the law from what I’ve been told.

        It stands to reason he was impressionable and could be manipulated. This helps explains why Corley & Vance find their way in to the bathroom, and why Josh King’s phone still contained the video and texts messages. It’s really Sad.

        • 79 Spartan writes:
          June 6th, 20176:56 pmat

          I will never understand this kind of crime… even putting oneself in the situation that might lead to something.

          Nowadays, a girls and guys can’t be too careful, really. It ain’t the swingin’ 70s fer cryin’ out loud.

        • JustABum writes:
          June 7th, 20171:09 amat

          My previous post needs clarification. I don’t mention the victim and focused on the perp when stating it’s sad. It’s horrible the crime ever happened and a young lady became a victim.

          If what I have been told is true, Josh King’s circumstances is a twisted of mice and men story. He faces a the possibility of life in prison and the victim’s life will be a living hell for some time. A respected coach who did all to prevent and comply has his character being tested questioned, Coach Dantonio would not have hired Blackwell if he the man was not in line with the MSU’s goals for creating better young men on and off the field. That’s sad.

  • BostonSpartan writes:
    June 6th, 20179:10 amat

    Upsetting to see these charges but glad to read that Dantonio and Hollis followed the proper protocol and responded promptly to all of this. Not so much for Blackwell which is why he is no longer with us.

    In other more uplifting news…..many of you who read the blog and who were at the Boise State shindig in 2012 would have met my son Aaron. Mr. Lubeck let him test out his super high end photography equipment. He was just getting ready to head off to the Rhode Island School of Design to embark on a degree in Film/Video/Animation. He graduated last spring and has been freelancing and networking out in ‘ole NYC since.

    I am pleased to report that he recently accepted a full time Assistant Video Editor job for Derek Jeter’s new(ish) media company The Player’s Tribune! TPT is a great media company with a unique platform that seems to be outpacing entities like ESPN as they are curating content that is directly from the voice of the player rather than from a journalist. (Sorry Rexrode….) I’ve read articles that, at some point, they could expand the platform to include actors and musicians. They are a small start up so this is an awesome opportunity for him. Clearly his mother’s love of sports has rubbed off on him so yes, I will take partial credit. LOL

    At any rate, here is a link to the first piece he worked on which, ironically and appropriately was Boston sports related. He did not shoot the footage but was tasked with looking at all of the audio and ensuring the sound mix was clear and even throughout. I figured the sports fans here would enjoy hearing this news, especially those of you who met Aaron a ways back.

    • BostonSpartan writes:
      June 6th, 20179:12 amat

      apologies for hijacking the thread by the way…

      • USMC Retired writes:
        June 6th, 20179:46 amat

        Fantastic news, Boston!

        As for hijacking the thread – this sad news is all over everywhere in the ubiquitous way of bad news travels faster; so your post is very solid, indeed! Great news. My regards and congratulations!

        I may get some personal insight tomorrow at the breakfast before the Golf, depending on which table I sit

        • BostonSpartan writes:
          June 6th, 20179:51 amat

          Thanks USMC! I figured if ever there was a thread to hijack this might be a good one. Sigh.

    • JustABum writes:
      June 6th, 201710:12 amat

      The linked Tribute is a nice, well edited piece.

      • BostonSpartan writes:
        June 6th, 201711:16 amat

        Thank you JAB! I agree.

    • JerseyJohn writes:
      June 6th, 201712:37 pmat

      very impressive. I still have a bone to pick with jeter however, for blowing off the Michigan sports hall of fame when Izzo was inducted and then showing up on Saturday night live that same night.

      • BostonSpartan writes:
        June 7th, 20177:02 amat

        Ahh I will have Aaron give Derek a hard time about that if he sees him. LOL

    • Kindle writes:
      June 6th, 20171:31 pmat

      Congrats to the Boston Spartan family.

      • BostonSpartan writes:
        June 7th, 20177:03 amat

        Thanks Kindle!

    • GoSt8Go writes:
      June 6th, 20173:37 pmat

      Excellent news, BS. Glad to see some encouraging news today. Though relieved that perhaps the beginning of the end is here for this current drama – while hoping it’s not the gift that keeps on giving…. Congrats to Aaron.

      • BostonSpartan writes:
        June 7th, 20177:03 amat

        Thank you G8G!

    • 89 Chemistry writes:
      June 6th, 20174:30 pmat

      Hooray for Aaron! After just reading an article on how millennials are destroying businesses left and right, you have provided a fresh counter-example to whom I can point.

      As for hijacking Posts, others (notably I) do it all the time — and while the hijacking will not prevent me from waxing ad nauseum on MSU Football below, I also appreciate learning about Aaron’s landing a job he can sink his teeth into — and the palate-cleansing refreshment it provides.

      Since I did not know Jeff “did” video, I guess that means Aaron has one-upped our Fearless Leader 😀

      • BostonSpartan writes:
        June 7th, 20177:05 amat

        Thank you very much ’89 Chem.

    • Ben Green writes:
      June 7th, 20175:29 amat

      Great news, Boston! Thank you for the positive, uplifting news on this otherwise depressing thread. Happy for your son and his rightfully proud mom.

      • BostonSpartan writes:
        June 7th, 20177:06 amat

        Yes, it was certainly was great news for all of us. Also fun that the job ended up sports related!

        • Kindle writes:
          June 7th, 201710:05 pmat

          Big LIKE!!!

  • JerseyJohn writes:
    June 6th, 201712:39 pmat

    way to go coach. goodbye and good riddance to these three, and please do the same to cop spitter onner Demetrious Cooper so we can start with a clean slate.

  • 89 Chemistry writes:
    June 6th, 20174:37 pmat

    Let me begin with two Free Press links. The first is an extensive report by three reporters in different departments:

    The second features Chris Solari’s running Twitter summary of Hollis’ and Dantonio’s remarks to the press this afternoon:\ch-mark-dantonio-addresses-media/374180001/

    (There is probably a video of the event available somewhere; the Freep’s did not work for me when I checked it. I hope to see and review a transcript at some point.)

  • 89 Chemistry writes:
    June 6th, 20174:56 pmat

    I wrote a longish essay shortly after the Green and White scrimmage speculating about suspended players, but chose not to share it until now. I offer about 1/3 of it below. The first part shows how news reports and deductive reasoning combined to point to King, Corley, and Vance (to ~75% confidence). The second part summarizes my take on program-scale implications.

    It has been reported that the three players suspended in relation to that allegation have also been removed from student housing. (Which seems like a drastic move … makes me think that indictment(s) will be made.) … These five were freshmen last fall: DL Drew Beesley; WR/CB Donnie Corley; DE Josh King; S Kenney Lyke; and S Demetric Vance. {On April 10, I saw a Tweet implying that Lyke was either recovered from an injury or relieved of a suspension.) Beesley is a walk-on; the others were four-star recruits. In fact, Corley and King are two of the four players with MSU that were high-end 4-star recruits according to Rivals.. (The other two were LJ Scott and Tyler Higby.) Corley is a starter if able to play, and I think King would start in the fall, too. They already have four starts between them….

    (Update: The defendants named in a Personal Protective Order petition shortly after the alleged assault; the PPO was granted, which necessitated their removal from student housing.)

    If my [reckoning is] valid and accurate, then my guess is that the loss of any three of those five players would affect, but would not devastate, MSU’s 2017 record. I think 2017 was going to be one of Dantonio’s lesser seasons with or without the three players under investigation, and it seems at this point that the remaining players are not going to be bothered by the absence of those three. Over the long term, King and/or Corley might make a difference between a B1G Title and falling well short in 2018-2019 — as might [Vance]. But maybe not. The program’s ability to recruit sufficiently well to compete for B1G Titles in the early 2020s may be the ultimate test of how important the loss of certain players may be.

    P.S.: It is ironic that a fourth player in that group — Lyke — left the program right before warrants were issued for King, Corley, and Vance. Lyke was a low-level 4-star recruit who played as a true freshman in the MI and RU games and made a tackle vs. Maryland. The safety was not on the Spring Game roster, but on April 10 (to reiterate) a Tweet of his implied that was no longer red-locked [Dantonio’s current term of art]. Neither he nor CB Kaleel Gaines (who left for Western Arizona C.C. a week ago) were on MSU’s final 2016 depth chart.

    I will talk about King and Corley’s brief careers as Spartans some other day — hopefully in the context of other 2016 Spartans (both departed and returning). I am going AFK for tonight, but look forward to tomorrow being a better day for MSU. GO GREEN!

  • Kindle writes:
    June 6th, 20176:47 pmat

    Tweets from today:

    Kyle Austin‏Verified account @kylebaustin 10h10 hours ago
    Donnie Corley, Josh King and Demetric Vance have been charged with criminal sexual assault in 54-B district court

    Chris Vannini‏Verified account @ChrisVannini 10h10 hours ago
    Replying to @ChrisVannini
    Regardless of outcome, King, Corley and Vance dismissed from the MSU program.

    Tony Gerdeman‏ @TonyGerdeman 9h9 hours ago
    The 2016 class was Michigan State’s best by far in the internet era. Four members of that class have now been dismissed for sexual assault.

    Matt Charboneau‏ @mattcharboneau 8h8 hours ago
    Dantonio: “If anything I think we’re reinforcing our principles. … Sometimes it takes a crisis to re-center yourself.”

    Kyle Austin‏Verified account @kylebaustin 7h7 hours ago
    Hollis has assigned 3 athletics administrators to oversee the Michigan State football program

    Casey Harrison‏ @CHarrisonTSN
    “I didn’t even want to talk about football for the last six moths because of this situation,” Dantonio said.

    Chris Solari‏Verified account @chrissolari 7h7 hours ago
    Dantonio said MSU’s Title IX administrator talked to players a week before the incident.

    Chris Solari‏Verified account @chrissolari 7h7 hours ago
    Dantonio: “Sometimes it takes a crisis to bring people back to point.”

    Casey Harrison‏ @CHarrisonTSN

    “I didn’t even want to talk about football for the last six moths because of this situation,” Dantonio said.

    David Harns‏Verified account @isportsDave 7h7 hours ago

    David Harns Retweeted Casey Harrison
    I still don’t.

    Chris Solari‏Verified account @chrissolari 7h7 hours ago
    Dantonio: “We’ve had a lot of success here. … We’ve not had problems. … But 1 year has changed some of that. A lot of that.”

    Matt Hoeppner‏ @matthoeppner 7h7 hours ago
    Today was handled about as well as you could hope for from an MSU perspective.

    Matt Hoeppner‏ @matthoeppner 7h7 hours ago
    Replying to @matthoeppner
    Immediate dismissal of players, Hollis and Dantonio giving statements and Dantonio taking all questions.

    Austin C. Smith‏ @ACSmith06 7h7 hours ago
    How this team responds will either be an indictment of Dantonio completely losing control or a testament to the foundation he’s built

    David Harns‏Verified account @isportsDave 7h7 hours ago
    Mark Hollis was just asked, “How do you wipe away the stain from this?”
    His answer:
    “Not words. Actions.”

    David Harns‏Verified account @isportsDave 6h6 hours ago
    My main concern is that, by following university reporting policy, Dantonio wasn’t allowed to report the incident to the police department.

    David Harns‏Verified account @isportsDave 6h6 hours ago
    The first MSU employee was made aware of the issue Monday afternoon and called OIE. MSUPD first contacted the reporting player on Thursday.

    David Harns‏Verified account @isportsDave 6h6 hours ago
    That’s too long. If the reporting process is such that OIE employees are the ones to contact MSUPD, they need to do it more quickly.

    Chris Haxel‏ @ChrisHaxel 6h6 hours ago
    Vance’s attorney, Mary Chartier, says her client is going to fight his charge. “He’s an upstanding young man… he’s falsely accused”

    Kyle Austin‏Verified account @kylebaustin 6h6 hours ago
    Story from @LaurenMGibbons on Demetric Vance’s arraignment. His attorney says he’s been falsely accused

    Matt Wenzel‏Verified account @mwenzel2 5h5 hours ago
    Neither Donnie Corley nor Josh King will be arraigned in East Lansing today, per court official. Demetric Vance was arraigned today.

    Matt Charboneau‏ @mattcharboneau 3h3 hours ago
    MSU’s Dantonio defends decision to dismiss trio via @detroitnews

    David Harns‏Verified account @isportsDave 2h2 hours ago
    Dantonio and Blackwell both found out on same day. Dantonio followed University protocol. Blackwell didn’t.

    Matt Charboneau‏ @mattcharboneau 22m22 minutes ago
    MSU’s AD Hollis reaffirms support for Mark Dantonio via @detroitnews

    • 89 Chemistry writes:
      June 7th, 201710:57 amat

      * “Hollis has assigned 3 athletics administrators to oversee the Michigan State football program.” This does not square with what seemed to be an exoneration of the football program’s actions.

      * What is OIE??

    • 89 Chemistry writes:
      June 7th, 201711:02 amat

      I think the Class of 2000 was ranked higher than the Class of 2016, but recruiting-oriented services had not really taken off at the time.

  • 79 Spartan writes:
    June 6th, 20176:52 pmat

    Congrats Boston!!! Every parent relishes those types of events in their chil’d life.

    Well, this certainly is in the background now, but got to the Jagged Mountain this afternoon, had a quaff and bought a glowler.

    Here is the pic (if it works):

    • 79 Spartan writes:
      June 6th, 20176:52 pmat

      Yeah, I don’t do selfies…

    • Kindle writes:
      June 6th, 20176:55 pmat

      Outstanding 79. Wish I could have been there.

    • BostonSpartan writes:
      June 7th, 20177:07 amat

      Thanks ’79! Cheers for sure!

    • 89 Chemistry writes:
      June 7th, 201710:58 amat

      So happy you could come through for “us”!

  • 79 Spartan writes:
    June 6th, 20177:08 pmat

    While I was there, a phone call came in asking if bottles were still available (“No” the barkeep said and looked right at me and smiled) and the guy that bellied up after I came in ordered it. I asked if he went “to State” and he said, “What? I don’t get it.” I then gave him the back story. He was thankful to know as he had come in on Sunday and found he really liked it, but wondered about the name, number 3 and the Red Rose. Several pours were done in the 15 or so minutes I was there.

    BTW, if you click on the picture, you’ll see another Red Rose #3 on the wall to the right. It is magnetic (think refrigerator magnet) and is now proudly in my possession as I asked him for it. I will take a better pic of that at home (at the office right now) and post it tomorrow.

    The owner was not on the premises.

    • 79 Spartan writes:
      June 7th, 20177:45 amat

      Follow up pic:

      • Kindle writes:
        June 7th, 201710:04 pmat

        79—You did us all proud!!!

      • Ben Green writes:
        June 8th, 20175:45 amat

        Hope it tasted great!

        • 79 Spartan writes:
          June 8th, 201711:54 amat

          I’m not a wheat beer fan, but it was very good, smooth with a touch of that wheaty bite in the finish that can sneak up on you, whether planned that way or not, the finish is apropos.

  • 89 Chemistry writes:
    June 7th, 201712:16 pmat

    On the on-field effect of MSU’s dismissal of King, Corley, and Vance:

    I have looked closer at MSU defenders in 2016 and find myself thinking that Josh King might not have been the best or second-best defensive end on the 2017 team after all. He probably had the best long-term prospects among Spartans originally anticipated to play in 2017 (except for McDowell, LJ Scott, and Corley), but that potential was as yet unrealized. MSU will still have an excess of DEs this fall, in my view; some of them should look like they belong in a competitive B1G game. But King’s loss damages MSU’s chances for a B1G Title in 2019.

    MSU will also have, in principle, enough safeties and wide receivers on the roster this fall. But Vance was probably the most talented (albeit untested) D-back on the team after Nicholson’s departure. His is, to a lesser extent, a long-term loss like King’s.

    The loss of Corley’s likely on-field production will be felt substantially more in 2017-2018 than would the loss of LJ Scott. Corley holds MSU’s all-time record for receiving yards by a true freshman (453); the most prolific Spartan receiver left has 200 career yards. Corley made 33 catches last year; tailback Gerald Holmes now leads MSU with 21 career catches, followed by WR Felton Davis (who had 12 last year). Corley caught three TDs in 2016 — as many as the combined career TD receptions of the entire MSU roster. There are a few young WRs who could eventually shine brightly at MSU, but Corley’s loss affects 2019’s prospects about as much as King’s does.

    MSU now has 62 players on scholarship. With 22 freshmen coming in several weeks hence, that means MSU will have 84 of its 85 allowed scholarships filled this fall. How (or if) MSU fills that remaining scholarship remains to be seen, but I think MSU cannot sign up a 26th true freshman.

    That tally assumes Cooper and Copeland fulfill their legal obligations. If they do, I think MSU has a good shot of making a bowl game this December.

  • 89 Chemistry writes:
    June 7th, 201712:19 pmat

    “All three former players have now been arraigned. Preliminary hearing, which will determine if case can proceed, is set for June 22.”

    (This coincides with the date for the Robinson preliminaty hearing. Deferrals of such hearings are routine,

    Corley and Vance’s bonds were set at $10,000 each. They live in Michigan; King (as JAB pointed out before) does not. The judge cited King’s out-of-state flight risk — and not the greater number and severity of the charges — as the reason for setting King’s bond at $25,000.

    King’s attorney happens to be one of Dr. Nasser’s lawyers.

    “Trustee Mitch Lyons said on radio yesterday that the ‘reporting player’ in Jones Day report was Auston Robertson. Was previously unnamed”

    (To clarify: This was the player that first told Coach D in January about the King/Corley/Vance episode. In light of what Robinson allegedly did in April, it is hard to imagine something more ironic.)

    “Charges don’t indicate reported victim was a minor at time of incident. Police said yesterday that she told them it wasn’t consensual.”

    (Is Mencarini — the courthouse beat reporter for the LSJ — implying that she was a minor? If not, why bother mentioning the possibility? Campus residents that are still minors by January of an academic year are rare.)

    • JerseyJohn writes:
      June 7th, 201712:57 pmat

      a supposedly educated Mitch Lyons should know when to keep his mouth shut. why is he blabbing this on some innane radio show? i’d can him too.

  • 89 Chemistry writes:
    June 7th, 201712:32 pmat

    Finally! A couple of things off-topic:

    * From, yesterday:
    “Kyle Ahrens’ brother de-commits from Ohio State.”

    (A consequence of Coach Matta’s firing. Justin is a three-star small forward. Probably not what Izzo is looking for; he will probably reserve his remaining scholarship chit for 2018.)

    * I have not heard from Jeff Lubeck in quite some time.

    As I recall, he was planning to go to Provence, France, tomorrow — and return to TUS HQ on the 19th or so.

    Jeff, if you are reading this, and the trip to Provence is still on, I have a request for you — prompted by an improbable coincidence:

    I have just finished reading Planet of the Apes, a 1963 novel by the French author Pierre Boulle. It is different from the movie it inspired in significant ways — one of which is relevant here. To quote an astronaut describing the descent to the planet Soror’s surface:

    “The atmosphere was bright, slightly tinged with a pale green color verging from time to time on yellow, rather like our sky in Provence at sunset.”

    Please fact-check this for me, Jeff, if you can. Bon voyage!

    • 89 Chemistry writes:
      June 7th, 201712:34 pmat

      (Fun fact: Boulle had also written, among other things, Bridge Over the Rive Kwai.)

      • Kindle writes:
        June 7th, 201710:02 pmat

        Le Pont de la Rivière Kwai ~~~~ un de mes favoris!!

        “The story is fictional but uses the construction of the Burma Railway, in 1942–43, as its historical setting, and is partly based on Pierre Boulle’s own life experience working in Malaysia rubber plantations and later working for allied forces in Singapore and Indochina during World War II. The novel deals with the plight of World War II British prisoners of war forced by the Imperial Japanese Army to build a bridge for the “Death Railway”, so named because of the large number of prisoners and conscripts who died during its construction. The novel won France’s Prix Sainte-Beuve in 1952.”

  • JustABum writes:
    June 7th, 20171:57 pmat

    Well here’s a surprise, Bob Stoops is retiring from Oklahoma effective immediately:

    • Ben Green writes:
      June 8th, 20175:44 amat


  • Kindle writes:
    June 7th, 20179:52 pmat

    Not sure if anyone answered a query from above as I have been on the road since 7AM…

    The OIE is MSU’s Office of Institutional Equity which jumps up upon a simple Google search… it’s mission
    is to provide an atmosphere free of discrimination.

  • Ben Green writes:
    June 8th, 20175:47 amat

    Looking at this from a football perspective, I’ll mention the obvious. The fact that all three of these young men were four star recruits, their expulsion has an obvious enormous negative impact on the football program. The star rating system is anything but absolute but these three have obvious ability. They were premier players at the forefront of potential Spartan success. All this pales in comparison to the crimes they allegedly committed, of course. But the negative impact on the reputation of the program and the potential resurrection of on-field success may be felt for years. Add Robertson’s alleged assault, the transfers of four star safety Kenney Lyke, defensive back/receiver Kaleel Gaines, Drake Martinez, John Reschke, O lineman Thiyo Lukusa leaving the program, and whatever else I’m missing, climbing out of the 3-9 hole would seem to be a bit more formidable; resurrecting the greatness that has been Spartan football a bit more in doubt.

    • 89 Chemistry writes:
      June 8th, 20173:37 pmat

      You mentioned all of the departures except for McDowell & Nicholson’s early exit to the NFL.

      I have been tracking written commits to MSU that are rated four- or five-star by either Scout or Rivals. The Class of 2016 was notable because it included 15 of these athletes.

      Six of the 15, for various reasons, are now off of the team.

      • Ben Green writes:
        June 8th, 20175:45 pmat

        Thanks for tracking the four and five star ratings. 40% attrition is significant, especially when some are replaced by presumably lesser skilled athletes and some create unfilled holes in the roster.

  • JerseyJohn writes:
    June 8th, 20177:31 amat

    if there is any kind of coaching leadership or character among the remaining players, they will rally around each other and be fine.

    as for reputation, this will not go away soon because you know that every game this year ESPN, ABC etc. will splatter up on the screen our off field transgressions.

    as for 4 star prima donnas, I remember when Corley was being recruited there were news reports ad nauseum about his ultimate decision. it got to the point that I could care less where he went. then I was glad he went to MSU. now I wish he didn’t. very similar to the recent stories about basketball recruit Bowen, thankfully he went to Louisville.

  • 89 Chemistry writes:
    June 8th, 20174:01 pmat

    * The Spartans will host Notre Dame in the ACC/B1G Challenge. The Irish have not played MSU in East Lansing since 1974.

    * BTN will carry the WMU football game (which is at Spartan Stadium) on September 9 at 3:30 ET.

    * MSU Golfer Allyson Geer has received a “sponsor exemption” and will compete in the 2017 Meijer LPGA Classic June 15-18 at Blythefield Country Club in Grand Rapids.

    * MSU Men’s Track and Field at the NCAA Championships, Wednesday: Junior Justine Kiprotich advanced to Friday’s Final of the 1500 meter by finishing second in his heat; junior Tim Ehrhardt is 15th in the decathlon after five events; and junior Noah Gary finish 14th in the pole vault. (The decathlon conclusion is now in progress.)

    • USMC Retired writes:
      June 9th, 20176:25 amat

      Sure hope Ehrhardt doesn’t start eating Wheaties

  • JerseyJohn writes:
    June 8th, 20175:45 pmat

    finally a home game against ND. digger avoided us for decades. I expect a beat down of the Irish!

  • Ben Green writes:
    June 9th, 20176:32 amat

    MSU had the highest ranked recruiting class in 2016 in Dantonio’s 11 years tenure, #15 on Scout with 20 commits, 13 four star, and 7 three star recruits. A program strives to enhance its recruiting potential and MSU was able to do exactly that by playing winning football and elevating the program’s positive perception. The 2016 recruiting class has been dismantled in part. The program’s positive perception nullified. Are the multiple legal issues, transfers, players leaving the program in the past several months an unpleasant, untimely coincidence? Bad luck?

    • 89 Chemistry writes:
      June 9th, 20171:36 pmat

      King, Corley, Vance, Robinson, and Reschke exercised different degrees of bad judgment that led to their exits. But three of these were axed because of a single event. Dantonio called Robinson a “risk”; it may have been a mistake for him to let Robinson come to MSU. But the other four, to knowledge, had no affixed red flags before they started practicing at MSU; I lean toward coincidence with them.

      Gaines strikes me as an academic performance case like Cassius Peat; one could attribute either “bad luck” or a drop in scholarly standards to two of those instances in two years.

      Or three? Lyke was struggling academically, too. Perhaps that is driving his decision to pursue a spot at an SEC school eventually. (Maybe higher stars tend to mean poorer grades…)

      I think Martinez and Lukusa are part of normal attrition (for different reasons). (As are McDowell and Nicholson.) All in all, I cannot say that the Blackwell-era recruits are heavily riddled with bad apples at this point. Nor can I conclude — yet — that the locker-room culture is poor in some way (apart from the dearth of effective senior leadership in 2016). Unfortunately, a 3-9 record in 2017 will not necessary mean that there is a spoiled culture or critical mass of bad actors, either: There are so many questions about MSU’s and its foes’ athletic efficacy and coaching savvy to render 3-9 an unlikely (~5% chance, I think) but hardly shocking floor.

  • USMC Retired writes:
    June 9th, 20176:35 amat

    Fans in Cleveland are just rude – NO CLASS is more like it (here are 2 articles on Mlive, including vid, and none on Freep @0835 (not surprise there)

  • 89 Chemistry writes:
    June 9th, 20171:39 pmat

    MSU Track & Field, yesterday: Ehrhardt finished 14th in the decathlon. Among the Spartan women, Hannah Sailar finished 17th in the pole vault, while Jade Madison finished 19th in the javelin throw.

    Justine Kiprotich will run in the finals of the men’s 1500 meter at ~8:40 PM ET tonight. (One of the ESPNs might carry it.) Go Green!

    • Ben Green writes:
      June 10th, 20174:31 amat

      Kiprotich finished second in the 1,500.

      • USMC Retired writes:
        June 10th, 20177:47 amat

        He’s a freshman, too

        • 89 Chemistry writes:
          June 10th, 20172:11 pmat

          I saw him reported as a sophomore, but an NCAA Title is definitely not out of his reach going forward. Terrific finish in the Finals!

          • Ben Green writes:
            June 11th, 20175:27 amat

            We were fortunate to watch Kiprotich in the finals. Just happened to tune in at the right time. “Hey, who is that little guy in the green and white?” It was the little guy who came from back in the pack to be among three who ran away from the rest. Super K had a great finish to over take the Old Miss runner for second in the final few meters. Terrific race to watch. The winner, BTW, is a sophomore from New Mexico who won the mile this year too.

          • USMC Retired writes:
            June 12th, 201712:18 pmat

            RedShirt Soph. Which means that he still has 3 more years (I Think)

  • USMC Retired writes:
    June 9th, 20177:23 pmat

    The League Office must have told the Officials to ENSURE the Cavs won tonight – this is the MOST biased officiating I have ever seen

    • USMC Retired writes:
      June 9th, 20178:07 pmat

      If the officials call the game like this in Oakland they’ll cause a riot

      • JustABum writes:
        June 9th, 20178:45 pmat

        Unwatchable one-sided officiating. Another reason the NBA is of very little interest to me. Why, an estimated $22,000,000 per game to the NBA coffers during these playoffs.

  • USMC Retired writes:
    June 9th, 20178:25 pmat

    Tigers BP FAILS again, boy ya go to Boston and you’re guaranteed a 4 hour game

  • JerseyJohn writes:
    June 10th, 20178:29 amat

    don’t think I’ve watched an NBA game since Dr. J and the late great darryl dawkins played for the sixers. kept tabs on skiles but could not sit and watch a full game of that drivel.

  • 89 Chemistry writes:
    June 10th, 20172:19 pmat

    I am going off the grid until Monday, but leave you with two very recent — and, imo, discouraging — Solari Tweets:

    “DL Cassius Peat tells Freep MSU coaches told him Wed. that he can’t come play for Spartans, 4 days before arrival. Says he is ‘blindsided.'”

    “Peat said MSU coaches did not give him a reason and that he did nothing wrong. Also didn’t talk bad about program, either. Story to come.”

    (Offhand, I wonder if the program and/or I miscounted scholarships and he would be the 86th man. But then why would he be bumped and not one of the other guys that signed after Peat re-committed to MSU?

    (Maybe his JUCO lost accreditation or one of his classes was problematic. Blindsided, indeed.)

    • JerseyJohn writes:
      June 10th, 20177:31 pmat

      sounds like an urban meyer move.

      anyway, after 2 hours of programming before the actual Belmont race, they butcher the playing of New York New York and cut it to about a minute so NBC can get in a few more commercials. IS NOTHING SACRED?

      • 79 Spartan writes:
        June 13th, 20178:14 amat

        “sounds like an urban meyer move”

        Really? You are gonna go there?

        • JerseyJohn writes:
          June 13th, 20178:20 amat

          it could be worse, I could have said it looks like a harblow move. anyway, I said that’s what it sounds like, not what it actually is. but of course, that’s how the fake news headline makes it sound.

          • JerseyJohn writes:
            June 13th, 20175:56 pmat

            dantonio just echoed my fake news sentiment as peat still has not attained his associate’s degree. but the press had to rush out a headline that made it look like he was wronged by big bad MSU.

  • 89 Chemistry writes:
    June 12th, 201710:18 amat

    I think Daniels’ 6th-place finish closes MSU’s 2016-17 academic year of NCAA competition:

    I assume there will be one or more Spartans at the USA Track & Field Nationals in the latter part of next week, as well as other news before late July. Until then, it will be up to Membership to provide new Posts from time to time. I do not have anything yet that is almost ready, but will do my part in the coming weeks.

    (Jeff Lubeck sent me a note saying he was indeed going to France; he should be there now — and should be there for the seven days or so.)

  • USMC Retired writes:
    June 12th, 201712:35 pmat

    Here’s a pretty good look at the BBall schedule for next fall.

    There is also a football composite of all those silly preseason mags opinions

  • USMC Retired writes:
    June 12th, 20176:04 pmat

    And now we have more Basketball news – B1G going to a 20 league schedule, Coach Izzo thinks it’s inevitable and in that vein, likes it as soon as practical

  • USMC Retired writes:
    June 12th, 20177:32 pmat

    The officiating and the announcers are clearly helping and rooting for the Thugs from Cleveland

    • USMC Retired writes:
      June 12th, 20178:13 pmat

      Finally talent rules over the officiating and thuggery. Clevelands scrubs really are just a bunch of bullies

  • USMC Retired writes:
    June 12th, 20179:04 pmat

    I rest my case: Former NBA ref Tim Donaghy, who infamously bet on games he officiated during his 13-year career, told KNBR that he thinks the league will advise the officials in this year’s Finals to call the games with hope of extending the series in mind.

    Read more at:…/tim-donaghy-believes-nba-will…/

  • 79 Spartan writes:
    June 13th, 20178:12 amat

    James is clearly a fantastic individual player, one of the best ever… having said that, the Dubs have the last word, “Dismissed!”

    • USMC Retired writes:
      June 13th, 20178:28 pmat

      Fantastic individual player who does seem to make those around him any better, however. One of the keys to all the GREAT NBA players is that they made those around them better. To me his a whinny bully who could and should be called for an offensive foul EVERY time he drives the lane.

      • 79 Spartan writes:
        June 14th, 20177:43 amat

        I just read that to my wife and she grinned and nodded in agreement.

  • 89 Chemistry writes:
    June 13th, 20173:54 pmat

    A busy 24 hours for MSU Football, it seems.

    Mark Dantonio has announced staff restructuring. Here is the most official version available:

    The student-athlete makeup continues to be restructured. Dantonio confirmed the nixing of DL Cassius Peat’s return;
    qualified CB Tyson Smith’s positive Tweet from last night;
    and confirmed that CB Vayante Copeland — while “not thrown off the football team” — is “not going to be able to be here”.

    Dantonio also spoke about the resolution of DE Demetrius Cooper’s fate:
    “That’s an ongoing process. I’m going to have to see. I haven’t really have not made a final decision on that but have talked at length about that. I just have not made a final decision and he’s paying the consequences. He’s been out for six months but I have not made that decision yet. That’s forthcoming shortly.”

  • Kindle writes:
    June 13th, 20176:00 pmat

    Dave, Tom, Greg, Chris, Ben, JJ…
    Thanks for keeping this going with your updates.
    Hope Jeff is enjoying Europe.

    I will be taking part in an annual group outing until Sunday/Monday.
    New threads would be welcome.

    • 79 Spartan writes:
      June 13th, 20178:25 pmat

      I could start one about my Mom’s double knee replacement taking place this Friday.

      • USMC Retired writes:
        June 13th, 20178:29 pmat

        Only if you have live interviews before and after

  • USMC Retired writes:
    June 13th, 20178:35 pmat

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